Big Live Show Analysis Talk/ Spoilers ofc

Ok so first things first Hilltop live confirms the theory that the third voice in the computers in TMP are in fact Jonah. These three voices are echoes of the echoes that are trapped between universes of Jon, Martin, and Jonah. I'm assuming because all three of their bodies got dragged into the portal at hilltop, they ended up in this inbetween place.

Martin and Jon accept the fact they are not in fact the real versions of themselves and only vague memories/echoes of them. They also accept they are trapped there forever(?). Martin is confirmed to be more of a lonely avatar and not an eye one.

Now of course to talk about Jonah. Jonah is only a disembodied voice in this inbetween place. He does have power here though. We only get one exchange directly between Jon and Jonah in the beginning that implies they have been adjusting to this situation for quite a while. (Jon does talk *about* Jonah quite a lot tho so yay<3)

Jonah in the live show is very... dramatic. I think you could argue that hes almost cartoony in his villainness. I wouldn't disagree, its quite played up and hes quite arrogant and over the top. HOWEVER, my theory brain immediately can find excuses for it. Firstly, Jonah no longer has his facade to hide behind, he can no longer pretend to be human or neutral to manipulate new people. So instead he leans into intimidation far more. He's also scared. He's not accepting that his current state is permanent. He's recently been *killed*. I think thats why Jonah feels so... out of character. At least I hope...

Another thing: We learn that people stuck in this gap in the universe(s) slowly start to leak their memories into the space which take the form of objects/locations. I believe this is why Jon says Jonah is 'warping' their appearances - not that he is actively exerting that control over the clothing, but that his memories are affecting the people trapped there. The reason i think this effects people so universally is just due to the fact Jonah has *so* many memories. He has much more to spread around and probably a stronger influence because of that

(me praying jonny didnt forget how to write jonah and that all this is for a reason...)

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I am very excited for More Jonah but also it does make me feel cautious about his future characterization. protocol already was so... fanon (derigatory). paired with s5 Jonah... I am not hopeful at all 🥹 but also hell yeah to Jon talking about Jonah :D

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on my hands and knees begging jonny to remember jonah is a human being with nuance and not a one dimensional evil guy

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@two-pupils he can't hear us! he has airpods in /j. but seriously I just don't understand this lack of willingness to engage with your own character outside of the fandom created charicature

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WHAT is happening

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liking it for after I see it!

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Aside from Jonah being entirely out of Peter's league, I don't think Jonah would in a million years allow anyone to have an ounce of influence over him on account of sentimentality.

Ok i understand that, as a fandom person, you're going to analyse much more about a character and in depth and for so long you might get wrapped into specific feelings about them. And especially if the canon didnt give you that much about them you're going to build a lot from those incessant thoughts until you have your whole entire story in your head.

But even so, trying as hard as possible not to be influenced by my own thing, how are the writers having such a different view of jonah magnus as i end up with?

Im just kinda baffled because if... you wanted to write the character you seem to believe he is now, you.... didnt at the start. This is not the character on the page. Yes hes evil yes he wants power yes he relishes in suffering yes he used Jon yes in the old days he let his friends die no just because you were a rich guy in the 1800s doesnt mean you...have to have been a caricature of a rich guy in the 1800s?? Am i insane??

Anyway. All this fanfiction and Georgie and Celia dont even get a proper angsty thing out of it.

The thing is, I'm not saying I'm particularly against Jonah being rich, because seeing all the people he frequented in the 1800s, he must have been -- and I also assume that when you're opening an Institute at that time to study the paranormal and your friends only treat it as your little Special Jonah Excentricity, you must have enough money that you'll only get teased and not fully judged for it.

It's just that, unless my memory is severely failing me, it's also obvious that Jonah was all-in when it came to the Institute; that his friends were also telling him to chill a bit and to relax and not work as much. And I feel it's so much more interesting to have him be an academic losing himself to the study of fear (being enough of a recluse that his friends want to coax him out, and yet still good enough at the social game that he HAS friends coaxing him out to begin with) than just a... random Rich Son owning Mills who Just So happen on the Side to have the Institute.

(And I'm not even against Jonah, as a rule, being a snob about social classes either? Like. I don't buy it fully, but being from a higher social statut WOULD, at least early on, give him so biases which: fair enough I guess, even if it's not really... visible in text at least in TMA for me.)

Also like, actually, erasing all of TMA from memory, it's also kinda weird even if we just consider the Protocol World? I KNOW they didn't say it was Jonah's diary when we had the episode, but like, please???? This was so much like Jonah it would be absurd to invent a whole other character for it. So i've got to assume that whatever "official" information Georgie found on the Institute and its founders are just like. what it is. an "official", easy story to digest, that does not reflect the truth whatsover of what happened to Jonah. If anything, STILL not knowing the full truth about him WOULD be the one consistent thing we get about Jonah. Like who knows. Maybe he had a cousin with the same name. Maybe trans Jonah is real, Jonah Magnus was the first born son who died and Jonah was like "stealing the name for me btw".

Anyhow. Whatever. Fanfiction of fanfiction. i need to stop thinking about this.

I think I admitted to this before, but I just never had the strength to listen to him die. I only read the transcript.

People don't understand how much I need Jon and Elias to kiss except no, more specifically, to both be incredibly aware they want to kiss each other so bad it would make them stupid, except they don't kiss, just linger into each other's spaces too long, just argue with each other too much, just stare and stare and know and it's frankly only because Jon has already given in to terrible other impulses he somehow manages to fight this one (however, if he did break - not a chance in hell there'd be only one kiss, the status quo would be all over)

Imagine your friend summons you through a letter to tell you he discovered something and a year later you have to invent 20th-century existentialism a hundred years early.

Masochist dom Jonah Magnus. Is this anything.

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